Some Utah Lawmakers want to change the way the state votes for president. Instead of awarding Utah's Electoral College votes to the candidate who wins the state, Utah would join a compact with other states to give those votes to the candidate that wins the national popular vote.
That system would only go into effect if enough states to equal 270 Electoral votes (the number needed to win) signs on.
If this system were in place in 2000, Al Gore would have won the Presidency instead of George W. Bush.
|Should Utah scrap the current Electoral College system for electing Presidents in favor of a proposal to give their Electoral College votes to the candidate who wins the national popular vote, even if that candidate loses the state?|
|Republican insiders||Democratic insiders||UtahPolicy.com readers|
|Utah should join the NPV||10%||72%||70%|
|Utah should stick with the current system||87%||20%||28%|
Some anonymous comments:
"Any opposition to National Popular Vote smacks of "Elitism" which is as appalling as slavery and not allowing women to vote. Let's align our political values to those of the 21st Century and not to a time when Elitists would not allow the Peons think for themselves."
"Who would have wanted Al Gore to be President of the USA in 2000?"
"Love NPV - It is a way to be pro-active and fix the shortcomings of the current system. No more presidents pandering to the battleground states. Shouldn't every vote matter and not just the votes in Ohio, Florida, Iowa and PA????"
"We are United States. Areas with the highest population do not necessarily guarantee protection of everyone's values, therefore we are a group of united states with equalized procedures to secure the values in the area that we live."
"I'm a Republican and I feel that we could have more of a say in presidential elections under NPV. This issue should be non-partisan."
"Joining the NPV compact is quite possibly the most ridiculous idea ever brought to the table when it comes to voting in Utah. The Electoral College was set up by the founders to protect the interests of smaller states. Having an NPV would ensure that national policy is driven by NY, LA, Miami, Seattle, SF, Phila, Pitt. The entire population of Utah is less than the population of one of these cities/metro areas. Utahns who vote in favor of this hoping to become relevant in national politics are seriously misguided."
"It is about time we put a stop to presidential candidates pandering to battleground states. National Popular Vote is a great idea. We actually might matter in presidential elections. We currently have 0 visits maybe we might have a couple under NPV. They would have to talk about Utah's issues for a change."
"The current system favors battleground states... NPV will help change that."
"As a Democrat in Utah, this sure is tempting but I don't see how this system is any better than the current system."
"Not sure Utah would have any more or less clout than we do now, but it certainly couldn't hurt. And it only seems fair that the person with the most votes wins."
"Why should Utah's votes not matter? Every vote should count!"
"I would love to have my vote count directly instead of the current system. As a Democrat in a heavily Republican state, my vote is nothing more than symbolic."
"Right now Utah is a fly-over state for Presidential candidates. Any change to make us more relevant is a good idea."
"A big part of me likes this initiative, but I don't yet feel like I know what the unintended consequences might be. I still need to have people who are smarter than me help me understand NPV better."
"NPV is unconstitutional."
"In 2000 Gore would have benefitted. In 2012 it may be Mitt Romney that wins the popular vote and loses the electoral college vote. Fix the system and spare the reputation of a future Supreme Court in the process."
"Why would the Utah Legislature want to subvert the Constitution and at the same time greatly reduce Utah's current clout in the Electoral College? And in the meantime, give an advantage to the Democrats! This is one of the craziest ideas to come along."
"I'm still in the air about this one. There is a valid point about elections being about a small handful of states while the others are ignored."
"No way and no how should our state's electoral votes go to President Obama or to any other liberal who may follow in future presidential elections."
"I can't think of any good reason for Utah to dilute its influence by requiring Utah's Electoral votes to be tied to the national vote."
"The election of the President was never intended to be by popular vote in the constitution. It was a conscious decision by the constitutional convention. The fact that each state gets two electors no matter their population is proof that the election of the president was not intended to be proportionate."
"The Electoral College is out dated antiquated and serves no purpose. The person with the most votes should win. How tough is that to understand? I'm sick of this crap of "winner takes all" votes with the current system. What that says is my vote, or your vote didn't count because it was on the wrong side of the state total count. Bulls**t! You wonder why people stay home on election day? they know that their guy/gal can't win/lose so why bother to vote."
"Al Gore would have been President!!!! Reason enough to oppose the NPV system."
"I am not surprised that Howard Stephenson is behind this push to circumvent the constitution. Seems like he only gives lip service to conservative principles."
"Utah is already a fly-over state. Switching to NPV will bring us to a "What the hell is Utah?" state."
"As a Presidential elector in the year 2000. I think we should stick with the founding fathers. If you go with the NPV, you might as well say Utah does not matter. And candidates will just divide their time campaign and once elected between 10 or so states."
"Al GORE? NO!!!!"
"The Founders gave smaller states (like Utah) an edge with the Electoral College. Why would we give up that advantage?"
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