An anonymous group released a list of 1,300 people they say are undocumented immigrants in Utah. Do you think distributing this list:
There ARE people here illegally - who IS supposed to look for them? ARE they looking for them and using the resources available to ask them to leave? What do illegals cost the state of Utah and taxpayers?
It's stupid and if someone accessed a database illegally then they should be charged with a crime.
If the information was illegally obtained, the perpetrators should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and if they are State employees, they should be fired.
Where is the decency in this world of human beings. Where is the love for our fellow man? What has this world come to, with all the hate and hurt. This is McCarthyism all over again. Did we not learn from the past and tend to repeat our failures.
It is chillingly reminiscent of the McCarthy era and the call for Americans to watch their neighbors for signs of Communist Party affiliations.
The fact that undocumented individuals of non-Latino descent are not listed (and add this to the ERRONEOUS listing of Latino individuals who are here LEGALLY) shows this effort to be horribly discriminatory and bigoted. If the issue was truly about the "rule of law," the vigilantes would have sought violators of all nationalities and would have not broken the law themselves (i.e.,possible violations of HIPAA); very hypocritical. The vigilantes' anonymity is cowardice of the worst kind. It shows exactly what can and will continue to happen if we do not stop the demonization of individuals of Latino descent. Continued amplification of myths about undocumented individuals adds fuel to existing hostility and does our community no good.
It is also in violation of several laws. I want to see some heads roll!
Should the LDS Church take a firm and direct position on immigration?
Unless the LDS Church takes a strong position, the inflamed rhetoric will continue.
They can not keep being luke warm, they must as the scriptures say, be hot or cold.
I would say Yes if I were confident it would be a morally based position of human rights and dignity, but I fear it would be just the opposite -- economic rights of white people. So probably no, they should not.
Yes, after all we are talking about human lives and how we treat one another. "When you done it unto the least of these you have done it unto me." Jesus said.
It might be the only way to keep harmful, potentially damaging legislation from being passed by the state legislature.
The LDS Church as a lot to lose if they don't take a position on it.
The fact that the Church was able to organize a concerted and well-funded effort supporting Proposition 8 in California shows that when they truly care about an issue and see it as a moral horror they can be a force to be reckoned with. The fact that the Church is so timid about stepping into the ring on this issue is disappointing and baffling to me as well as exploitative.
Usually I'd say not but the Church taking a reasonalbe position is the only way to keep the right wing nuts from doing something really stupid.
Not if they want to maintain their tax exempt status!
They don't tell me what to do at the party and I don't tell them what to do at the church.
Why? What business is it of the LDS Church?
They already have, in their Articles of faith where they say they believe in sustaining the law.
Sooner or later, the issue has to be thoughtfully addressed by all major stakeholders in utah, including LDS Church, Catholic church, universities, etc.
Churches like the LDS, Catholic, and evangelical want higher levels of immigration from poor countries because these immigrants are more likely to be religious, attend church, and pay tithes/offerings than the native-born population. Since churches materially benefit from increased immigration from poor countries, they need to step up their charitable work and also start paying taxes to cover the costs of providing government services, particularly K-12, since these immigrants earn too little to pay enough taxes to cover a meaningful percent of the costs they impose on the rest of us. Moreover, children born to immigrants are still a cost of immigration even if the children are born in the U.S.
The LDS Church has an interest, but it is caught between a rock and hard place between extending love and assistance to those in need and abiding by the laws of the land.
Respondents include -
Fred Adams, Stuart Adams, Jess Agraz, Jeff Alexander, Patrice Arent, Bruce Baird, Tom Barberi, Jeff Bell, Tom Berggren, Mike Bertelsen, Rob Bishop, Laura Black, Chris Bleak, Curt Bramble, Ralph Brown, Dave Buhler, Ken Bullock, Ric Cantrell, Maura Carabello, Jason Chaffetz, Rebecca Chavez-Houck, Lou Ann Christensen, David Clark, Peter Corroon, Lew Cramer, Richard Davis, Brad Daw, Alan Dayton, Margaret Dayton, Brad, Dee, Joseph Demma, John Dougall, Randy Dryer, Donald Dunn, Becky Edwards, Wendy Fisher, Ronald Fox, Natalie Gochnour, David Hansen, Jeff Hartley, Jeff Hatch, Lyle Hillyard, Bruce Hough, Scott Howell, Eric Jergensen, Mike Jerman, Kirk Jowers, Chris Kyler, Fred Lampropoulos, Douglas Larson, Larry Lunt, Matt Lyon, Ben McAdams, Gayle McKeachnie, JT Martin, Ethan Millard, Brett Millburn, Karen Morgan, Mike Mower, Val Oveson, Scott Parson, Jason Powers, Lauren Richards, Robin Riggs, Don Savage, Bryan Schott, Patrick Shea, Tim Sheehan, Randy Shumway, Soren Simonsen, Mike Styler, Todd Taylor, Gary Thorup, Michael Waddoups, Chuck Warren, Christine Watkins, LaVarr Webb, Todd Weiler, Ted Wilson, Carl Wimmer, Mike Winder, Thomas Wright
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